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Postby FlarePhoenix » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:30 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... story.html

...is to let teachers in school with children, be armed with guns in case to prevent school shootings. Doesn't he know that teachers have the most stressed job, severely underpaid, and not to mention around children....and they will be giving them guns? Sigh and here I thought he couldn't possibly do anything more idiotic, but i was wrong, and he still has a couple more years left.

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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby kalashnikov47 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:46 am

i support it. heres what needs to happen though. update the fire alarms with a second type of sounding alarm. also wire it to the police when it goes off, teach the kids what it means (active shooter in premises) make some kind of cheap widely produced security system thats effective that uses biometrics and any time one of these gun safes is open it sounds that alarm.only specific teachers entrusted should be in the biometric system.
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby Biggsy666 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:21 am

FlarePhoenix wrote:Doesn't he know that teachers have the most stressed job, severely underpaid, and not to mention around children....and they will be giving them guns? Sigh and here I thought he couldn't possibly do anything more idiotic, but i was wrong, and he still has a couple more years left.


Used to be a teacher, pay was actually better than i get now and although there was some stress it wasn't that bad. Holidays were great. Worst thing and reason i left was i wasn't teaching anymore, just coaching the exam.

I think the idea is to give only certain, trained teachers guns so they can save the lives of children and more importantly make the Schools a less appealing target. Its not great but i don't here much in the way of better ideas.

Its very fashionable in the media here to knock Trump at every opportunity and for just the smallest (often imaginary) things. But zero credit for getting North Korea to the table, he gots lots of critism for weeks for antagonising them and when his hard line brought them to the table no one mentioned Korea in the media at all here. I know the guys a pratt, but its getting ridiculous.

Policeman, now theres a low paid stressfull job. Oh, they have guns :lol:
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby Berzerk » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:12 am

I do not see this going that far because most of your teachers today are card carrying Union Liberals this is why schools are so terrible now. The only thing they know how to carry are picket signs when they want a big fat tax payer raise with no improvement to your children’s education. The public schools systems are so corrupt and out of touch with reality that schools should be privatized and out of the public tax system cookie jar then you would see more competition to give good educations. Show me a politician who has their kids in a public school system. Most jails and prisons in America do not allow guns on the inside you have to lock them up in lock boxes before you enter or leave it in your car. Sad day when you allow gun carry in schools and not the corrections system.
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Postby sasapinjic » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:02 am

Teachers + cops = solution

Why not send Teachers (who wants it, and who are able, doe to years/body and mental condition) to 6 months or so training in police academy, that way they will both be Teachers and legal police/security officers, with better pay and benefits than normal Teachers? Such Teachers will also be tested can they handle stress, just like any other police candidates, naturaly. If they fail, they are back to be regular Teachers.
Then asign at least 20% of such Teachers in every school. Their guns shuld be locked in school, on several important and well secured locations, and only those Teachers can acces them. So, in normal situation, they are not armed, but in case of troubles, they can acces weapons from any part of school.
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Postby Berzerk » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:35 am

What it pretty much boils down the police did not do their job. How many times do you keep hearing Police was aware of the suspect after the suspect commits the crime. Police only job now is to right tickets to law abiding tax payers do reports and clean up the mess after a incident occurred not sure if they are to lazy to do their jobs or afraid of getting a lawsuit doing their jobs. In most of the mass shootings the suspect has already come into contact with the police and has never been delt with properly.
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby spreegun » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:51 pm

Thwy want to keep guns out of schools, but they're gonna pit one in every classroom? It just makes it that much easier for a kid to het their hands on one.

They could just steel the key to the gun box or however they plan on storing them.

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Postby VoodooVincent » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:50 pm

I'm in full support. Israel does it & it works. That said, they must be trained.

The first place a terrorist or mass shooter typically goes is a gun-free zone, hence the reason the overwhelming majority of these attacks happen in places where people cannot defend themselves. If we can protect our airports, our "celebrities," our politicians, etc., surely we can protect our children. Ask Americans who oppose this if they want to get rid of security in airports, at sporting events, etc. If they say no, ask them why they're against protecting the youth of America the same exact way.

Berzerk wrote:What it pretty much boils down the police did not do their job. How many times do you keep hearing Police was aware of the suspect after the suspect commits the crime. Police only job now is to right tickets to law abiding tax payers do reports and clean up the mess after a incident occurred not sure if they are to lazy to do their jobs or afraid of getting a lawsuit doing their jobs. In most of the mass shootings the suspect has already come into contact with the police and has never been delt with properly.


Also this. It seems like the FBI & local authorities always know about the terrorists or mass shooters beforehand, yet they don't do anything. I'm still waiting for everything on Las Vegas. I bet that'll be another black eye for the FBI.
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby RUMBLE » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:44 pm

Unless the guns in question, that the teacher's use, are imprinted so that they are the only ones that can use them, it may work. If not, how long before some kid gets a teacher's gun and runs amok?

Or what if the teacher is a few items short of a combo plate, and opens up on the kids?
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Postby ryder4life » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:32 pm

it's amazing to me so many people bash trump, but yet he's the only president in recent years willing to change things, and let everyone know daily almost what hes up to. Sure is it a good solution to arm teachers i dunno we havent had a true situation to tell if its a good or bad thing. Can't just go around banning guns or claiming lets make it harder to get guns. i could go online right now, and easily acquire a gun the non legal way. Making it harder to acquire guns legally wont stop anything. Let em try arming teachers it may be a solution. Yes i do have kids in school so im aware of the risk but feel it might actually save some kids.
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Postby cat » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:46 pm

I'm keeping out of any thread that involves gun's or the trumpster.
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby sasapinjic » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:30 pm

If one wants to go on rampage and kill everyone around him, he dont need to wait to steal guns from school, especialy when he can easily can buy them anywere. And once he makes his mind, there is nothing to stop him, certanly some law that forbids guns in certain area. Only thing that can stop him is another person with gun, and if that person is one (or more than one) well trained Teacher with gun, so much the better!


In old Yugoslavia, we had guns in every school, safly locked away, and we even have lessions of how to use guns, how to clean, dissasembe and assembe them, from 4 th grade (12 years old yours students ) and up, and we even had cases where kids do brake and "borrrow" some guns, but nobody ever go to rampage and started killing all people around him, maybe becouse we also had shoothing practice from varius weapons often to, and, as we Gamers know , shoothing practice targets,or game sprites , relese some stress. :lol:
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Postby 6gunn » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:31 pm

sasapinjic wrote:Teachers + cops = solution

Why not send Teachers (who wants it, and who are able, doe to years/body and mental condition) to 6 months or so training in police academy, that way they will both be Teachers and legal police/security officers, with better pay and benefits than normal Teachers? Such Teachers will also be tested can they handle stress, just like any other police candidates, naturaly. If they fail, they are back to be regular Teachers.
Then asign at least 20% of such Teachers in every school. Their guns shuld be locked in school, on several important and well secured locations, and only those Teachers can acces them. So, in normal situation, they are not armed, but in case of troubles, they can acces weapons from any part of school.


And pass a law allowing them, no..... REQUIRING them to SHOOT TO KILL anyone exhibiting ill intentions armed with a firearm on school/ campus grounds.
Otherwise our liberal/ socialist politicians will side with the poor misunderstood felon, and with their revolving door policy will rely on the catch-and-release system now in effect.
The trouble with our penal system is that there is not a very meaningful deterrent for these miscreants to NOT commit the same behavioral pattern after their so called rehabilitation.
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby FlarePhoenix » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:34 pm

wow so many mixed posts about it, honestly, i really don't think is a bad idea.....i know it is. Lets forget morality and consequences for a sec. The cost alone tax payers will have to pay to ARM the teachers, Train them(fire them too/last year 5 teachers in next town was laid off due to lack of funds) and expect them to react to situation in question, VS having a patrol officer in the vicinity or even having some sort of security force in the school(some colleges do, but they are not allowed to carry firearms...most of them at least).

Also for @Biggsy666, i wasn't saying all teachers, just saying when i was a kid, it wasn't really uncommon for a teacher to STRIKE a student(was hit a ruler a few times). Even after the regulation was changed, a teacher was only suspended for smacking a student with a book(course nowadays, they would be charged with assault) all cause the student was mouthing off to him.

Well last thing i will say on the matter, you can build EXPLOSIVES(materials do exist for them) in school, do you really want guns(bows and arrows are allowed i kid you NOT/archery sport).
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Postby 6gunn » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:24 pm

FlarePhoenix wrote:wow so many mixed posts about it, honestly, i really don't think is a bad idea.....i know it is. Lets forget morality and consequences for a sec. The cost alone tax payers will have to pay to ARM the teachers, Train them(fire them too/last year 5 teachers in next town was laid off due to lack of funds) and expect them to react to situation in question, VS having a patrol officer in the vicinity or even having some sort of security force in the school(some colleges do, but they are not allowed to carry firearms...most of them at least).

Also for @Biggsy666, i wasn't saying all teachers, just saying when i was a kid, it wasn't really uncommon for a teacher to STRIKE a student(was hit a ruler a few times). Even after the regulation was changed, a teacher was only suspended for smacking a student with a book(course nowadays, they would be charged with assault) all cause the student was mouthing off to him.

Well last thing i will say on the matter, you can build EXPLOSIVES(materials do exist for them) in school, do you really want guns(bows and arrows are allowed i kid you NOT/archery sport).


In the last 30 years or so our politically correct nation has changed and not necessarily for the better.
Up until the late 80's in my area I was a competitor in 50 foot Bullseye Pistol competition.
Three of the Pistol Club ranges were in the basements of intermediate and high schools, one was in the maintenance building on school property.
Schools had student rifle teams.
I'm talking about rural area schools.
The city politicians of the day would not allow firearms in an urban school.
In all those years during my shooting on a pistol team, there was not ONE incident of any kind pertaining to improper or unlawful possession of a firearm on school property.
Then came the liberal idea of GUN FREE ZONES.
THAT'S when the trouble started.
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My best friend who was a teen at the time in the early 60's, used to carry his .22 rifle or shotgun on an airplane from New York State to Florida to visit and hunt with his relatives.
Try doing that now.
The liberal socialist politicians want control, TOTAL control over their "subjects", and they want to ban ALL private ownership.
I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA.
It was done in Nazi Germany, Uganda, China, Japan, Russia, and many more countries where the people were oppressed.
Look at Serbia and it's unarmed mistreated people.
So..... you want that HERE?
Save your money and buy a ticket and MOVE to your gun-free country of choice.
I prefer to remain armed NOT defenseless.
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby 6gunn » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:55 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... story.html


The link above as posted by FlarePhoenix....

The Washington Post, New York Times, and many more major publications have been transformed into biased liberal anti-gun outlets. They slam Trump at every turn.
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THEY ARE WRONG.
You are expected to run like cowards to the safest place in your home....
until the door to that "safe room" is broken down, at which point you will be at the mercy of your intruder(s).
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Their job then is to draw a chalk line around your beaten, brutalized, raped body, and string up yellow "Police Line - DO NOT CROSS" tape.
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I do not.
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Postby mistamontiel » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:28 pm

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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby thewheelman282 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:35 am

This is quite the hot topic. I'd like to introduce a quick fact. This law that Trump is proposing does not arm teachers directly. It doesn't automatically give teachers the ability to bring guns in schools for safety. This bill allows school boards to decide if they want to let their teachers arm themselves. That means it becomes a possibility and the school board of directors casts a vote to allow it in their particular school. And then the teacher decides yes or no if they want to be trained to use said guns.
I think it's a good idea. Bush and Obama haven't done a damn thing about school shootings other than try to disarm citizens. We might make communities a safer place and save some people's lives in the process. Whether guns are outlawed or not, evil people will find ways to kill. The least we could do is be vigilant with a gun at the ready
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Re: Teachers packing heat, Trump's new plan...

Postby Berzerk » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:06 am

Might want to add bus drivers on this list also.

https://www.10tv.com/article/cell-phone ... bus-driver
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